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Table Of Contents Heraldry - Maps - Rowena - Scandinavian Ogle? - Timeline Home The Quest for Oghgul is to discover if the ancient and honorable family of Ogle of Northumberland derived from the Clan or Tribe called Oghgul. Hengist had consulted the elders of Oghgul before meeting with King Vortigern in Britain about 447 AD. |
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In the Borderlands of
England/Scotland called Marches, the words "road", "raid", "raiding" and "riding" were
synonymous. When someone was known as ever riding - it meant they were
on constant forays.
Credit - The Steel Bonnets. |
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These families lived throughout the border region: Charlton (Carleton), Elliot (Elwood, Ellot), Finwick, Forster (Forrester, Foster), Graham (Graeme), Hall, Hetherington (Hetherton, Atherton), Irvine (Irving, Urwen), Johnstone (Johnston, Johnstoun), Musgrave, Nixon (Nicksoun), Robson, Scott, Storey (Storie, Storye). England: East March - Dunne, Gray, Selby; Middle March - Collingwood, Carnaby, Heron, Medford, Ogle, Ridley, Shaftoe, Witherington (Woodrington). Redesdale - Anderson, Hedley, Potts, Read. Tynedale - Dodd, Milburn, Stapleton, Yarrow, Hunter, Jamieson, Stokoe, Stamper, Thomson, Wilkinson. West March - Armstrong, Bell, Lowther, Curwen, Salkeld, Dacre, Harden, Hodgson, Routledge, Tailor, Noble.
Scotland:
East March -
Bromfield, Cranston, Craw,
Dixon, Hume (Home), Trotter. Middle March -
Burn (Bourne), Croser (Crosar, Crozier), Davison, Douglas,
Gilchrist, Henderson, Kerr (Ker, Carr, Carre), Laidlaw, Oliver,
Pringle, Rutherford, Tait, Turnbull (Trumble), Turner, Young. West March -
Armstrong, Beattie (Baty, Batisoun), Bell, Carlisle, Carruthers,
Glendenning, Little, Maxwell, Moffat.
Credit - The Steel Bonnets. |
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These previously unknown Ogle Arms have not been
researched - I do not know if any are authentic - but I have no reason
to doubt the sincerity of the provider. As of 7/29/2008 - Link to these family arms - http://www.cafepress.com/familycoats2/3410396 |
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| Ogle of England 2 | Ogle of England 3 | Ogle of Ireland | Ogill of Scotland |
| Original
Entry - Extract from
Nennius's "Historia Brittonum (History of the Britons)" From Chapter 31. "Horsa and Hengist, brothers, were sons of Wihtgils. Wihtgils was the son of Witta; Witta of Wecta; Wecta of Woden; Woden of Frithowald; Frithowald of Frithuwulf; Frithuwulf of Finn; Finn of Godwulf; Godwulf of Geat." ... "Vortigern received them as friends, and delivered up to them the island which is in their language called Thanet, and, by the Britons, Ruym. Gratianus AEquantius at that time reigned in Rome. The Saxons were received by Vortigern four hundred and forty-seven years after the passion of Christ, and, according to the tradition of our ancestors, from the period of their first arrival in Britain, to the first year of the reign of king Edmund, five hundred and forty-two years; and to that in which we now write, which is the fifth of his reign, five hundred and forty-seven years." From chapter 37 of Nennius's "History of the Britons" he wrote "Then Hengist, who had already consulted with the elders who attended him of the Oghgul race---". I read this to clearly mean that Hengist was also of the Clan or Tribe of Oghgul. According to some accounts these people were Jutes from the island then known as Oghgul somewhere off the coast of current day Denmark. Since in but a few years the peninsula was denuded of Jutes and Angles it is possible that the "island" was in fact the entire peninsula. In any case, King Vortigern married Hengist daughter. Hengist received the area called Kent as his base, and he then accepted the commission to protect king Vortigern's territories from the northern invaders. The King agreed to give land and gold to all warriors Hengist brought to the task. From Chapter 38. Hengist, convinced Vortigern, to accept his counsel and sent for his sons Octa and Ebusa, both valiant men who fought against the Scots. Octa and Ebusa arrived with forty ships. They sailed round the country of the Picts, laid waste the Orkneys, and took possession of many regions, even to the Pictish confines and near the wall called Gual. They were given kingship of the countries in the north. Since I discovered the above I have found a most interesting web page, it speaks about Hengist and names his daughter. Go to Rowena |
| 2005/09/20: When
this was first written there
was strong reasoning that the family could be of Dane ancestry.
Some of the family may indeed carry a Scandanavin DNA marker. However, my DNA test of May 2005, reports that my
DNA does not indicate
Scandinavian ancestry, so I have put aside that expectation for myself.
There was no surprise to learn that indicators were strong for English,
Irish and even Scott
ancestry. I should make the point that there are/were a
lot of Ogles from England settled in the English areas of Northern Ireland, and I believe in Scotland as well. The genealogy book "Ogle and Bothal" by Sir Henry A. Ogle, Baronet, 1902, indicates the possibility that the islands of Oghgul spoken of by Nennius were to the west of Britannia and not east. Reasoning being Hengist sent for more warriors, these warriors came from "islands" and not an "island" and they sailed around the country of the Picts, laid waste the Orkneys and occupied several territories across the Frisian Sea, that is to say the land between Hengist, and the boundary of the Picts. Now I have to get out the maps - - The mystery continues. |
| 2006/01/09: Something more to consider. This is an extract from the web pages of the Yale University's medieval studies on Nenius, see note [1]. These data supports the more common theory that the "race" [tribe] of Oghgul came from Germany's North Coast or what is now Denmark, leaving one to realize that the truth is yet to be had. 37. But Hengist, in whom united craft and penetration, perceiving he had to act with an ignorant king, and a fluctuating people, incapable of opposing much resistance, replied to Vortigern, "We are, indeed, few in number; but, if you will give us leave, we will send to our country for an additional number of forces, with whom we will fight for you and your subjects." Vortigern assenting to this proposal, messengers were dispatched to Scythia, where selecting a number of warlike troops, they returned with sixteen vessels, bringing with them the beautiful daughter of Hengist. And now the Saxon chief prepared an entertainment, to which he invited the king, his officers, and Ceretic, his interpreter, having previously enjoined his daughter to serve them so profusely with wine and ale, that they might soon become intoxicated. This plan succeeded; and Vortigern, at the instigation of the devil, and enamoured with the beauty of the damsel, demanded her, through the medium of his interpreter, of the father, promising to give for her whatever he should ask. Then Hengist, who had already consulted with the elders who attended him of the Oghgul[1] race, demanded for his daughter the province, called in English, Centland, in British, Ceint, (Kent.) This cession was made without the knowledge of the king, Guoyrancgonus,[2] who then reigned in Kent, and who experienced no inconsiderable share of grief, from seeing his kingdom thus clandestinely, fraudulently, and imprudently resigned to foreigners. Thus the maid was delivered up to the king, who slept with her, and loved her exceedingly. [1] V.R. Who had come with him from the island of Oghgul; Oehgul (or Tingle); Angul. According to Gunn, a small island in the duchy of Sleswick in Denmark, now called Angel, of which Flensburg is the metropolis. Hence the origin of the Angles. -end- The following extract is from the web page http://neft.dk/flexheim.htm. - (*) Linguistically seen, English is much more closely related to Juttish (85%) than Danish (only 60%), since many of the Vikings who, around year 1000, brought the dönsk tunga into England stemmed from Angel, which is South and Southern Jutland (now Denmark). Reminiscences thereof can be seen in English grammar even today. For instance, Juttish as well as English uses only one grammatical gender (sexus communis), whereas Danish (in the same way as Dutch) has two genders (namely sexus communis and neuter) - and Old Norse, German and Icelandic have three (masculinum, femininum, and neuter) like Latin and Greek. -end- Language: North Germanic - n. A subdivision of the Germanic languages that includes Norwegian, Icelandic, Swedish, Danish, and Faroese. Also called Norse, Scandinavian. |
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The Ogle name is
thought to have been taken from a place name. There is
still an Ogle village in Northumberland. I
hypothesize Oghgul and Ogle to be the same people based on the reading of Nennius's "Historia Brittonum"
see extract of chapters 31, 37, and 38. The dilemma
still exist that: |
| Gildas About a century later, and with the aid of hindsight the Celtic monk Gildas [Who despised the invaders] wrote "Vortigern introduced these ferocious Saxons of unspeakable name, hateful to God and men, bringing as it were wolves into the fold in order to beat back the nations of the north. A pack of cubs bursting forth from the lair of the barbaric lioness. They landed first in the eastern part of the island and there fixed their terrible claws, pretending that they would fight for our country, but really to fight against it". We know it was not long before the new settlers realized Bretanie was a rich land, and through centuries of being forcibly disarmed by Roman decree, the Brettas were ripe for picking. Remember that during "Viking" invasions late in the first millennium, their sacking and burning of the towns and churches, destroyed all or most of the libraries and schools of the Northumberland kingdoms. The documents found by Archeologist, and Historians to-date are believed to be copied from early documents. |
| It seems that
if Hengist was of the clan of Oghgul, then very many of the ancient families
of England are also of that clan. If this quest proves true then
Ogle will be one of the oldest identifiable families in
Briton.
I have yet to again find the reference, but
I have read that Oglethorpe is a "Viking" name, the part "thorpe" being
a word meaning near, or neighbor. If this is true then oglenear or ogleneighbor
would positively indicate that the place ogle existed sometime during
the "Viking expansion period" [800-1000 AD]. The Oglethorpe clan must have been migrating
rather than on a plunder raid, and settled near the Ogle area.
During the "Viking" take over of much of England during this
time they used
Northumberland as a safe haven for their families and plundered goods - why
were the Northumberland people so friendly?
Read Scandinavian Ogle? |
| Disclaimer: These pages contain data extracted over the years from university or Government projects, from books and from other webs I found during my research. Although I have long forgotten from where some of this data came I have given credit where I could remember. |
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